1 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,779 [Music] 2 00:00:16,340 --> 00:00:22,070 I'm George Ellery and I present Cal 3 00:00:19,070 --> 00:00:23,630 Imahara on our my gene television here 4 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:27,140 we are in London 5 00:00:23,630 --> 00:00:29,599 I speak my words freely either in 6 00:00:27,140 --> 00:00:32,989 Parliament on television here on the 7 00:00:29,599 --> 00:00:37,070 streets of London Cal Imahara means free 8 00:00:32,989 --> 00:00:39,860 work - for ice cream - Cal Imahara in 9 00:00:37,070 --> 00:00:43,610 the two-way conversation check it out on 10 00:00:39,860 --> 00:00:46,670 our Medina television welcome to Cal 11 00:00:43,610 --> 00:00:48,589 Imahara with me George Galloway on Al 12 00:00:46,670 --> 00:00:51,409 mayadeen television coming to you from 13 00:00:48,589 --> 00:00:54,939 London but talking about the Yemen in 14 00:00:51,409 --> 00:00:58,760 fact know also about Saudi Arabia Iran 15 00:00:54,939 --> 00:01:03,170 the United States the biggest flashpoint 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:05,799 currently on the world map today we have 17 00:01:03,170 --> 00:01:08,570 an audience of distinguished experts 18 00:01:05,799 --> 00:01:12,830 even more distinguished than normal and 19 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:16,850 some enthusiastic amateurs like me when 20 00:01:12,830 --> 00:01:20,060 we established this subject for this 21 00:01:16,850 --> 00:01:22,609 program it was not the case that 22 00:01:20,060 --> 00:01:26,689 everyone in the world was talking about 23 00:01:22,609 --> 00:01:30,799 Yemen five years nearly of incessant 24 00:01:26,689 --> 00:01:34,850 warfare mass starvation polio epidemics 25 00:01:30,799 --> 00:01:38,350 cholera epidemics ports being blockaded 26 00:01:34,850 --> 00:01:41,509 children dying emaciated like sticks and 27 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:45,020 nobody in the world carrying anything at 28 00:01:41,509 --> 00:01:48,770 all about it in fact some people in the 29 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:51,679 world making a very fat profit from the 30 00:01:48,770 --> 00:01:55,509 starvation of the children of Yemen 31 00:01:51,679 --> 00:01:59,630 school buses bombed schools bombed 32 00:01:55,509 --> 00:02:04,700 wedding parties bombed brides killed at 33 00:01:59,630 --> 00:02:08,060 the altar of their own weddings and even 34 00:02:04,700 --> 00:02:10,729 funeral parties mourning the dead of the 35 00:02:08,060 --> 00:02:14,990 last air raid being attacked and 36 00:02:10,729 --> 00:02:19,190 creating many more corpses no one gave a 37 00:02:14,990 --> 00:02:21,950 damn a hundred thousand maybe much more 38 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:24,920 than a hundred thousand Yemenis in the 39 00:02:21,950 --> 00:02:27,590 poorest country on the earth living next 40 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:29,740 door to the richest countries on the 41 00:02:27,590 --> 00:02:34,930 earth be 42 00:02:29,740 --> 00:02:41,030 decimated by this almost five years of 43 00:02:34,930 --> 00:02:46,730 warfare nobody gave a toss one airstrike 44 00:02:41,030 --> 00:02:50,840 or drone strike or missile strike on an 45 00:02:46,730 --> 00:02:54,380 oil refinery in Saudi Arabia well not a 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:57,730 single person was killed has catapulted 47 00:02:54,380 --> 00:03:02,450 this subject right to the top of the 48 00:02:57,730 --> 00:03:07,550 international agenda 5% of world oil 49 00:03:02,450 --> 00:03:08,540 production was incapacitated at a single 50 00:03:07,550 --> 00:03:11,510 stroke 51 00:03:08,540 --> 00:03:14,510 causing a surge of price rises 52 00:03:11,510 --> 00:03:17,480 throughout the international markets at 53 00:03:14,510 --> 00:03:21,140 one stage the price of oil rose by more 54 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:25,220 than 10 percent chaos 55 00:03:21,140 --> 00:03:29,840 seemed to loom in the international 56 00:03:25,220 --> 00:03:36,100 economy the question was who to blame 57 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:41,329 and once you had decided on who to blame 58 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:44,680 how to explain how to explain that Saudi 59 00:03:41,329 --> 00:03:48,700 Arabia which has spent literally 60 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:52,519 trillions of dollars on weapons on 61 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:56,079 missile shields on all the paraphernalia 62 00:03:52,519 --> 00:04:01,010 which ought to have made it impregnable 63 00:03:56,079 --> 00:04:07,430 could so easily be struck and devastated 64 00:04:01,010 --> 00:04:09,950 by the first allegation drones did the 65 00:04:07,430 --> 00:04:11,930 missile shields not work and if they 66 00:04:09,950 --> 00:04:14,630 didn't work what's the point to buying 67 00:04:11,930 --> 00:04:17,590 them what's the point of spending all 68 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:21,079 this money on defending yourself if 69 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:29,030 actually you are defenseless against 70 00:04:21,079 --> 00:04:33,350 drones well in the first moments people 71 00:04:29,030 --> 00:04:36,530 accepted that it was the answer Allah 72 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:39,380 the resistance in Yemen which has stood 73 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:41,970 up for these five years against the 74 00:04:39,380 --> 00:04:46,169 Saudi Emirati 75 00:04:41,970 --> 00:04:52,600 american-british Israeli attack on poor 76 00:04:46,169 --> 00:04:55,060 Yemen and we were treated to the usual 77 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:59,680 story that the Houthis could only be as 78 00:04:55,060 --> 00:05:03,449 effective as this if Iran was helping 79 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:08,729 them then miraculously amongst the ashes 80 00:05:03,449 --> 00:05:13,389 in the oil refinery they found the usual 81 00:05:08,729 --> 00:05:17,860 passports well in this case not exactly 82 00:05:13,389 --> 00:05:24,370 a passport but made in Iran smelling of 83 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:28,780 halva picture of the ayatollahs on a dud 84 00:05:24,370 --> 00:05:32,139 which never went off and so the Saudis 85 00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:34,349 began to see that this attack did not 86 00:05:32,139 --> 00:05:38,800 come from the south 87 00:05:34,349 --> 00:05:44,889 neither did it come from Iraq it came 88 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:49,229 directly from Iran itself but there are 89 00:05:44,889 --> 00:05:54,610 problems with that narrative obviously 90 00:05:49,229 --> 00:05:57,120 if it was what they called the Houthis 91 00:05:54,610 --> 00:06:00,909 they like to sectarian eyes this 92 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:04,539 conflict as a sunni-shia conflict if it 93 00:06:00,909 --> 00:06:10,740 was the Houthis imagine what Iran could 94 00:06:04,539 --> 00:06:14,139 do and if it was Iran that caused this 95 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:17,979 shockwave across the world with one 96 00:06:14,139 --> 00:06:21,630 drone strike what could it do if it 97 00:06:17,979 --> 00:06:25,889 opened all guns blazing 98 00:06:21,630 --> 00:06:29,139 suddenly the threats of President Trump 99 00:06:25,889 --> 00:06:32,979 were locked and loaded he loves those 100 00:06:29,139 --> 00:06:34,150 Wild West metaphors we're locked and 101 00:06:32,979 --> 00:06:36,909 loaded well if you're locked and loaded 102 00:06:34,150 --> 00:06:41,050 you better fire but you're not gonna 103 00:06:36,909 --> 00:06:42,760 fire are you think about it if you fire 104 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:44,650 they'll fire back and if that's what 105 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:48,490 they could do with one strike what about 106 00:06:44,650 --> 00:06:52,450 ten thousand strikes so you're locked 107 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:55,300 and loaded but you can't fire so in that 108 00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:57,970 case you're going to have to 109 00:06:55,300 --> 00:07:00,490 back down how do you back down from the 110 00:06:57,970 --> 00:07:03,130 kind of threats amplified by the US 111 00:07:00,490 --> 00:07:07,780 media that we saw in the days 112 00:07:03,130 --> 00:07:13,360 immediately following the attack on the 113 00:07:07,780 --> 00:07:15,640 oil refinery if it was the Yemenis why 114 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,400 shouldn't they fight back what what kind 115 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:23,140 of a war is this we're only one side is 116 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:26,620 allowed to kill the other side you can 117 00:07:23,140 --> 00:07:30,130 launch countless thousands of air raids 118 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:34,900 on people as long as they're defenseless 119 00:07:30,130 --> 00:07:37,570 and if they hit back it's some kind of 120 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:39,820 crime and if they hit back and don't 121 00:07:37,570 --> 00:07:42,550 even kill a single person that is 122 00:07:39,820 --> 00:07:45,940 regarded as a worse crime than killing 123 00:07:42,550 --> 00:07:48,060 children on a school bus you see where 124 00:07:45,940 --> 00:07:51,580 I'm going with this you see the 125 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:54,730 International geopolitical complications 126 00:07:51,580 --> 00:07:58,420 of all this well they do in the white 127 00:07:54,730 --> 00:08:00,070 house that's for sure so if you ask me 128 00:07:58,420 --> 00:08:02,950 the question right now is the United 129 00:08:00,070 --> 00:08:05,550 States going to attack Iran I'll have to 130 00:08:02,950 --> 00:08:05,550 laugh in your face 131 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:15,480 because that wouldn't just be a disaster 132 00:08:10,930 --> 00:08:19,120 for the region it would actually be 133 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:22,900 perfectly absurd it would be the most 134 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:25,360 ridiculous absurd blunder ever made by 135 00:08:22,900 --> 00:08:26,620 any government at any time because as 136 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:35,080 I've been saying throughout this long 137 00:08:26,620 --> 00:08:39,070 crisis Iran is not Iraq in 2003 Iran is 138 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:42,160 not Grenada a defenseless little island 139 00:08:39,070 --> 00:08:45,040 that you can hollywood-style land your 140 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:48,430 Marines on the beach Iran is a country 141 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:51,910 of 80 million people most of them young 142 00:08:48,430 --> 00:08:54,150 people most of them United on at least 143 00:08:51,910 --> 00:08:58,050 one thing that they will not allow 144 00:08:54,150 --> 00:09:02,220 foreigners to attack their country and 145 00:08:58,050 --> 00:09:05,700 with millions of people in their country 146 00:09:02,220 --> 00:09:08,230 for whom they're not just ready to die 147 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:08,990 would actually be quite an honor for 148 00:09:08,230 --> 00:09:12,370 them too 149 00:09:08,990 --> 00:09:17,570 I fighting the United States of America 150 00:09:12,370 --> 00:09:19,910 believing entirely believing that 151 00:09:17,570 --> 00:09:23,570 paradise is the destination for someone 152 00:09:19,910 --> 00:09:27,560 who dies fighting the United States of 153 00:09:23,570 --> 00:09:31,040 America the Great Satan now these are 154 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:35,959 not the only problems Yemen has there's 155 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:39,140 a number of old problems coming back to 156 00:09:35,959 --> 00:09:44,510 haunt Yemen the principal one of those 157 00:09:39,140 --> 00:09:48,890 is secession it has been made abundantly 158 00:09:44,510 --> 00:09:54,170 easy by international Western driven 159 00:09:48,890 --> 00:09:57,620 policy for the idea to return back to 160 00:09:54,170 --> 00:10:01,190 the table of Yemen being not one state 161 00:09:57,620 --> 00:10:05,000 but to tell ya I'm old enough to have 162 00:10:01,190 --> 00:10:06,770 visited Yemen when it was - I quite 163 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,440 liked the People's Democratic Republic 164 00:10:06,770 --> 00:10:12,560 of Yemen I've got to tell you that right 165 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:15,290 up front but it's been 30 years or more 166 00:10:12,560 --> 00:10:17,480 since Yemen reunified and now there are 167 00:10:15,290 --> 00:10:19,220 people who want to divide it again and 168 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:23,329 they're not the kind of people that used 169 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:26,649 to run the PDR why Saudi Arabia would 170 00:10:23,329 --> 00:10:30,170 quite like to see the division of Yemen 171 00:10:26,649 --> 00:10:34,029 I'm personally against the division of 172 00:10:30,170 --> 00:10:37,880 countries but you could see their point 173 00:10:34,029 --> 00:10:41,120 the access to the sea the South Yemen 174 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:44,480 state would have the importance of that 175 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:49,190 sea its proximity to the Gulf are all 176 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:52,730 reasons why imperialism and its local 177 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:55,959 auxiliaries would want to see that kind 178 00:10:52,730 --> 00:11:01,399 of division those division inside the 179 00:10:55,959 --> 00:11:04,010 resistance itself between people who 180 00:11:01,399 --> 00:11:09,230 were once enemies then friends now 181 00:11:04,010 --> 00:11:13,700 drifting towards enemy status again so 182 00:11:09,230 --> 00:11:17,990 you drop pebble in a pool it becomes a 183 00:11:13,700 --> 00:11:20,480 tidal wave eventually sweeping much away 184 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:21,260 in its wake 185 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,460 so 186 00:11:21,260 --> 00:11:27,530 we're talking today about Yemen but 187 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:30,890 about the importance of Yemen and the 188 00:11:27,530 --> 00:11:34,070 conflict there to the region and the 189 00:11:30,890 --> 00:11:37,760 world let me hand over to my first guest 190 00:11:34,070 --> 00:11:39,730 madam welcome back I said we had a 191 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,590 distinguished audience you're one of the 192 00:11:39,730 --> 00:11:44,060 the most distinguished of the audience 193 00:11:42,590 --> 00:11:47,210 please introduce yourself and say 194 00:11:44,060 --> 00:11:49,600 whatever you would like to say it's a 195 00:11:47,210 --> 00:11:52,400 pleasure to be here and it's actually 196 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:54,620 amazing to hear you speak about the 197 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:58,340 situation as it really is truthfully and 198 00:11:54,620 --> 00:12:00,080 honestly fearlessly if all people in the 199 00:11:58,340 --> 00:12:01,940 Western Hemisphere spoke about the 200 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,430 reality of this aggression on Yemen in 201 00:12:01,940 --> 00:12:07,330 the way you just did the suffering that 202 00:12:04,430 --> 00:12:09,230 is ongoing to this day wouldn't continue 203 00:12:07,330 --> 00:12:12,470 unfortunately as we have said this 204 00:12:09,230 --> 00:12:14,720 before there is hypocrisy lies true true 205 00:12:12,470 --> 00:12:17,450 is lie and so forth but is good good is 206 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,800 by good is bad and so forth and that's 207 00:12:17,450 --> 00:12:21,770 what's actually what's actually killing 208 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:24,080 the people of Yemen on a daily basis by 209 00:12:21,770 --> 00:12:26,300 hundreds through hunger through 210 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:29,720 preventable diseases through airstrikes 211 00:12:26,300 --> 00:12:31,670 through terrorism through assassinations 212 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,220 paid for directly by the Saudi regime 213 00:12:31,670 --> 00:12:35,930 and so that's what's happening let me 214 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:38,650 introduce myself I am speak I'm wearing 215 00:12:35,930 --> 00:12:41,720 two hats today I'm wearing my hat as a 216 00:12:38,650 --> 00:12:43,700 British lawyer who is familiar with the 217 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,390 laws of this land as well as the laws of 218 00:12:43,700 --> 00:12:50,000 the international law platform and also 219 00:12:46,390 --> 00:12:51,440 my new hat as the rep eminent 220 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:54,250 representative for the state of the 221 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,720 Yemen at the United Nations elect and 222 00:12:54,250 --> 00:12:58,700 elect because of course the 223 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,190 acknowledgment of the legitimate 224 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:01,760 government of Sanaa hasn't taken place 225 00:13:01,190 --> 00:13:04,160 yet 226 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,990 for obvious reasons because they want to 227 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:08,150 pretend or continue to tell the world 228 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:11,300 the lies that is just a handful of 229 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:12,980 Houthi rebels which we need to now put 230 00:13:11,300 --> 00:13:15,500 down and get rid of because they are 231 00:13:12,980 --> 00:13:17,090 troublemakers and and so forth when the 232 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:18,740 fact is and I'm telling you from 233 00:13:17,090 --> 00:13:21,110 knowledge personal knowledge and my 234 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:24,230 through my work that the government of 235 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:26,210 Sanaa contains 16 members of the 236 00:13:24,230 --> 00:13:28,400 Congress party that is former president 237 00:13:26,210 --> 00:13:29,540 solace party 16 members they are the 238 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,360 majority 239 00:13:29,540 --> 00:13:34,700 it has about 12 members of ansarullah 240 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,500 okay aka Houthi 241 00:13:34,700 --> 00:13:39,200 has about four communists to 242 00:13:36,500 --> 00:13:43,010 nationalists many other parties that 243 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:45,290 have grown over the power of the period 244 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:47,480 from 2011 today so many political 245 00:13:45,290 --> 00:13:49,880 parties have come about in Yemen there 246 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:52,250 is a vibrant democratic movement of 247 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:56,300 liberation and freedom from hegemony 248 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:58,940 from the neighboring countries who have 249 00:13:56,300 --> 00:14:01,190 no idea what democracy is who have no 250 00:13:58,940 --> 00:14:03,140 idea what a constitution is who have no 251 00:14:01,190 --> 00:14:05,990 idea what a republic is son our 252 00:14:03,140 --> 00:14:08,090 government enjoys millions and millions 253 00:14:05,990 --> 00:14:09,830 of Yemenis support who come flock to the 254 00:14:08,090 --> 00:14:12,320 streets of Sun are today in fact they 255 00:14:09,830 --> 00:14:14,930 are celebrating five years of the 256 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,580 glorious revolution of Yemen and you 257 00:14:14,930 --> 00:14:18,440 will see millions of them flocking to 258 00:14:16,580 --> 00:14:20,210 the streets affairs and some of them 259 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,000 buying their homes and their possessions 260 00:14:20,210 --> 00:14:24,590 in order to be able to get their 261 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,720 majority of the Yemenis including those 262 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:29,390 from the seven provinces and Mareb are 263 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,420 internally displaced people having left 264 00:14:29,390 --> 00:14:34,760 those parts due to the widespread of 265 00:14:32,420 --> 00:14:37,670 terrorism and now I'm going to touch on 266 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:40,010 the point of the cessation I personally 267 00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:42,620 am originally my family are from Ha the 268 00:14:40,010 --> 00:14:44,390 remote and we know a lot about the 269 00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:46,910 grievances a lot of my family have had 270 00:14:44,390 --> 00:14:48,650 to leave Yemen and go to Africa and to 271 00:14:46,910 --> 00:14:50,630 this day we have no contact with some of 272 00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:53,330 them we've lost contact with them so yes 273 00:14:50,630 --> 00:14:55,040 we have grievances and it was this cart 274 00:14:53,330 --> 00:14:58,010 of grievances that the Saudi coalition 275 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,960 has played emotionally on the people of 276 00:14:58,010 --> 00:15:03,830 the south and made them believe that 277 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:06,620 they will be turned in an independent an 278 00:15:03,830 --> 00:15:09,710 independent state successful rich is 279 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:10,400 very much like to be 5 years later what 280 00:15:09,710 --> 00:15:13,460 do we find 281 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:16,190 18 Detention Center detention centers 282 00:15:13,460 --> 00:15:19,430 where women children and men are being 283 00:15:16,190 --> 00:15:21,710 raped with buttons evidence has come out 284 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:23,480 through ApS everything evidence has come 285 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:25,370 out through waiters Human Rights Watch 286 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,020 Amnesty everybody has reported on this 287 00:15:25,370 --> 00:15:29,060 but nobody wants to talk about it 288 00:15:27,020 --> 00:15:31,940 because it's too hush-hush second thing 289 00:15:29,060 --> 00:15:33,590 we have got this southern transitional 290 00:15:31,940 --> 00:15:36,320 council which has been upped now as the 291 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:37,970 the the separatist movement now let me 292 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,830 tell you some basic facts about these 293 00:15:37,970 --> 00:15:41,950 people by the way I am with a Hurok 294 00:15:39,830 --> 00:15:44,870 which is the original article of the 295 00:15:41,950 --> 00:15:46,730 secessionist party and a lot of the 296 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:47,690 leaders of the secessionist party of the 297 00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:49,130 South are now 298 00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:50,840 actually in sonar supporting the 299 00:15:49,130 --> 00:15:53,900 government of son as part of the 300 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,360 government of Sanaa Deputy Minister for 301 00:15:53,900 --> 00:15:58,280 sports in sana is a secessionist and 302 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,800 quite many others and I myself am part 303 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,840 of that family group of people who want 304 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,860 our rights upheld we have grievances and 305 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,900 we're not going to forget that 306 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:08,300 now who caused the grievance this is Ali 307 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:11,000 Mohsen al-ahmar the head of terrorism in 308 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:14,210 Yemen who is now in Riyadh from the 309 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,980 Islam our team right and instead of 310 00:16:14,210 --> 00:16:17,180 addressing the issue where the person 311 00:16:15,980 --> 00:16:19,370 who caused the grievances they 312 00:16:17,180 --> 00:16:21,800 unfortunately our people in the South 313 00:16:19,370 --> 00:16:24,680 have been manipulated to death to death 314 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,450 literally 1618 detention centers rapes 315 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,030 and pillaging and thefts and all of that 316 00:16:26,450 --> 00:16:30,890 and terrorism every day suicide bombing 317 00:16:29,030 --> 00:16:32,870 everyday human life has become so 318 00:16:30,890 --> 00:16:34,130 meaningless that anybody can be just 319 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:35,660 pulled into the streets and shot like 320 00:16:34,130 --> 00:16:38,630 that and they photograph it and they put 321 00:16:35,660 --> 00:16:40,430 it in social media now who is the new 322 00:16:38,630 --> 00:16:41,960 kids in the block I call them the new 323 00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:45,230 kids in the block because they are they 324 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,790 are people whose age group it tells you 325 00:16:45,230 --> 00:16:49,400 that they haven't even known anything 326 00:16:46,790 --> 00:16:51,260 about the 1990s war which caused the 327 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,670 grievances right these guys are very 328 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:55,160 young so they don't know what the 329 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:57,980 grievances was all about and their 330 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,740 leaders and their leaders are one of 331 00:16:57,980 --> 00:17:03,800 them well-known Hannah Ben break is a 332 00:17:00,740 --> 00:17:06,620 man who was wanted for terrorism by the 333 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:08,569 u.s. regime for many years he is the 334 00:17:06,620 --> 00:17:10,069 saboteur either so if we allow this 335 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:11,270 secession which I'm going to say some 336 00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:14,060 more thing about it because there's 337 00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:15,860 legal issues here if they hand over I 338 00:17:14,060 --> 00:17:17,089 can tell you if they by force because 339 00:17:15,860 --> 00:17:19,250 they've been doing everything by force 340 00:17:17,089 --> 00:17:21,680 on lying to the world if they hand over 341 00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:22,870 the south to this new these new kids in 342 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,699 the block which the original 343 00:17:22,870 --> 00:17:27,500 secessionist don't acknowledge it means 344 00:17:25,699 --> 00:17:29,990 basically this strategically very 345 00:17:27,500 --> 00:17:32,510 important part of the world is going to 346 00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:34,820 be satellite because these are Salafi 347 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:37,040 Wahabi who don't accept anybody else 348 00:17:34,820 --> 00:17:39,380 Hannah Ben break is a well-known a cup 349 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:41,150 member I don't understand why the US 350 00:17:39,380 --> 00:17:43,430 hasn't picked him up instead the u.s. is 351 00:17:41,150 --> 00:17:45,110 just sending drones killing civilians in 352 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:46,640 other parts instead of actually getting 353 00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:48,350 the man who's causing all of this 354 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,420 viewers really wants to fight terrorism 355 00:17:48,350 --> 00:17:52,550 this is their man well the US has been 356 00:17:50,420 --> 00:17:54,010 supporting al Qaeda and Isis in many 357 00:17:52,550 --> 00:17:56,770 places and 358 00:17:54,010 --> 00:17:59,860 indeed was the advertently or 359 00:17:56,770 --> 00:18:02,320 inadvertently the father of al-qaeda in 360 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:05,500 the first place in Afghanistan in the 361 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:07,900 1980s but you don't have to look further 362 00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:12,070 than Syria to see the United States 363 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:16,020 arming financing proselytizing for al 364 00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:18,730 Qaeda and Isis and these other Islamist 365 00:18:16,020 --> 00:18:21,010 killers and that's exactly what you're 366 00:18:18,730 --> 00:18:23,980 describing now as happening in Yemen 367 00:18:21,010 --> 00:18:26,440 final point please one final point the 368 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:29,110 Secession cannot happen by force 369 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,600 it has to happen by process of law and 370 00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:33,970 the process of law is to hold a national 371 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,340 referendum we can't hold a referendum 372 00:18:33,970 --> 00:18:38,230 while there is piracy being committed 373 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:40,240 against the state of Yemen 13 ships are 374 00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:42,070 being unlawfully detained by the Saudi 375 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,990 regime which contains food and fuel 376 00:18:42,070 --> 00:18:45,850 people are dying and they doing this 377 00:18:43,990 --> 00:18:47,320 deliberately to force the people to 378 00:18:45,850 --> 00:18:50,170 submit this out or which way they will 379 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,970 not do the airport in Sun are continues 380 00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:54,190 to be closed which is claiming thousands 381 00:18:51,970 --> 00:18:56,950 of lives every month this is horrific 382 00:18:54,190 --> 00:18:59,380 like Yemen has become one big 383 00:18:56,950 --> 00:19:01,270 concentration camp we really need to say 384 00:18:59,380 --> 00:19:03,040 this loud I know people don't like to 385 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:04,900 hear this word but that's what we are 386 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,150 witnessing every day and something has 387 00:19:04,900 --> 00:19:08,740 to be done if it's not done then I am 388 00:19:07,150 --> 00:19:10,270 confident that the government of Sanaa 389 00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:12,430 will be continued to sending drones 390 00:19:10,270 --> 00:19:14,560 everywhere and that is not in the best 391 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:15,910 interest of everyone concerned secession 392 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,980 is not going to happen without due 393 00:19:15,910 --> 00:19:20,560 process of law it has to happen through 394 00:19:17,980 --> 00:19:23,020 referendum I am from the south and I'm 395 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,450 saying no until after we hold the 396 00:19:23,020 --> 00:19:28,810 referendum let our people choose we have 397 00:19:25,450 --> 00:19:31,300 to have a democratic process gentlemen 398 00:19:28,810 --> 00:19:33,640 here you're itching to respond 399 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:36,850 my name is Nestle I say I'm come from 400 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:40,450 South Earvin it's South human know South 401 00:19:36,850 --> 00:19:44,710 human and I speak Arabic because is this 402 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:48,360 best way for me Seban essaouira philemon 403 00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:53,140 was been a shaman will give up less 404 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:57,700 protein while Islam Islamic ulama has 405 00:19:53,140 --> 00:20:00,250 Emily North human drama so Hadi 406 00:19:57,700 --> 00:20:02,200 Almog listened to Valley Manila group 407 00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:04,930 Essaouira we have a caller who a very 408 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,210 shy man well you know Sarah let me a 409 00:20:04,930 --> 00:20:10,450 betta a black olive oil 410 00:20:07,210 --> 00:20:13,990 alum has a second happy that I know al l 411 00:20:10,450 --> 00:20:19,200 ruthian he had a lover whom to help 412 00:20:13,990 --> 00:20:23,230 madam demon iw main domain Caribbean 413 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:26,020 movie I will be a hostile volatile hello 414 00:20:23,230 --> 00:20:29,710 GE and and the man in the moon beautiful 415 00:20:26,020 --> 00:20:31,660 babe la huaca Vanek al-islam Ursula 416 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:34,990 hammer but Hal Weidmann and sorry Cherie 417 00:20:31,660 --> 00:20:39,900 out there H Magdalene develop he'll have 418 00:20:34,990 --> 00:20:44,590 Eva Venezuela have a column per se 419 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:48,700 l heard he mr. Hollywood malady Canadian 420 00:20:44,590 --> 00:20:54,940 Abdullah Saleh Alice Alice eleven melody 421 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:58,600 in earnest Manorama knew I give our 422 00:20:54,940 --> 00:21:01,780 Malia fidelity you pull a man humble you 423 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:02,680 know what can I like there is an 424 00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:04,720 immortal armor 425 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,420 well harmonies Chanel cool Hermes - 426 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:11,680 Maggie do you know a little Harvey a 427 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:13,630 smelly gonna be hilarious Olynyk ie help 428 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,900 in Yemen a labradoodle and have a 429 00:21:13,630 --> 00:21:21,220 service or eternity so hey el dólar 430 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:23,980 mustafa washer module mr. van what about 431 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:27,880 this and what if he I'm a loser you talk 432 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:30,910 about German Democratic you know if I 433 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:34,540 can wear the summer dress and words but 434 00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:36,490 alas Sarah hello it's Fatima well you 435 00:21:34,540 --> 00:21:40,390 know when cupboard normally mention 436 00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:43,510 Molly watermelon League no fear Alma 437 00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:45,850 nove Armenia Manish merrily merrily mph 438 00:21:43,510 --> 00:21:49,720 I the government Afghanistan women : 439 00:21:45,850 --> 00:21:52,510 monitored Phil Phil alum well human 440 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,160 genome Dalek exterminate Elmo comment 441 00:21:52,510 --> 00:21:56,200 gonna be a table and Yeti attend Valera 442 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,870 be Elmo common gonna be oh well I'm 443 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:03,730 Alyce Correll Huckabee I'm answer me was 444 00:21:58,870 --> 00:22:05,470 allowed to say allocated by the happy - 445 00:22:03,730 --> 00:22:10,210 whaa - Tom Tahrir 446 00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:12,550 our body reacts with Muhammad ibn al 447 00:22:10,210 --> 00:22:14,980 Buddhism how the Valley Bank of America 448 00:22:12,550 --> 00:22:19,450 no beer Elmo gonna be a comma cool Aloha 449 00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:20,980 Chameli can ho t s allahi ta'ala power 450 00:22:19,450 --> 00:22:23,890 Moomba commercials 451 00:22:20,980 --> 00:22:26,290 here Obama ain't no lady whom I should 452 00:22:23,890 --> 00:22:29,140 reply if he is lolly made room in Iran 453 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:31,810 well Heather Obama and no Annie yeah no 454 00:22:29,140 --> 00:22:34,180 I'm gonna be an important lesson have 455 00:22:31,810 --> 00:22:36,460 you had a lava know how important our 456 00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:40,090 habitable an emotional and fishable 457 00:22:36,460 --> 00:22:42,850 feeha promote wanna Pat alone Ginobili 458 00:22:40,090 --> 00:22:44,220 Ibrahim are happy in Weber home or what 459 00:22:42,850 --> 00:22:47,500 LLL groom 460 00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:49,870 America dalawa head and Tom DiBella 461 00:22:47,500 --> 00:22:53,380 way that Colonel Athena will be shaman 462 00:22:49,870 --> 00:22:56,350 well Elmo tomorrow we should cool 463 00:22:53,380 --> 00:22:58,180 alhamdolillah mashaallah morality in I'm 464 00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:59,590 machine happy group and not so a lie 465 00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:01,720 still and now without listener 466 00:22:59,590 --> 00:23:03,970 while routine yeah any of the 467 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,520 bottom be Iran Adam laugh like a gear 468 00:23:03,970 --> 00:23:09,010 i'll home welcome a hitman era be 469 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,380 whatever bulimia coca-cola she well 470 00:23:09,010 --> 00:23:15,430 there are two issues obviously now on 471 00:23:11,380 --> 00:23:19,170 the table the first is the Saudi 472 00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:22,810 emirati American British Israeli war 473 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:26,560 against Yemen against all of Yemen 474 00:23:22,810 --> 00:23:30,010 against all Yemenis and as you've just 475 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:33,370 witnessed there is the issue it's an old 476 00:23:30,010 --> 00:23:37,870 one but it's back as to whether Yemen 477 00:23:33,370 --> 00:23:41,170 should be divided and if divided by whom 478 00:23:37,870 --> 00:23:46,060 on what basis and what will be the 479 00:23:41,170 --> 00:23:49,990 geopolitical result if it is we'll be 480 00:23:46,060 --> 00:23:51,000 back after this break with much more of 481 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:56,840 this 482 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:59,990 [Applause] 483 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,990 [Music] 484 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:07,660 [Music] 485 00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:09,160 you're watching Cal Imahara with me 486 00:24:07,660 --> 00:24:11,290 George Galloway on Al mayadeen 487 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:14,380 television coming to you from London 488 00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:16,870 discussing events in Yemen and the 489 00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:19,360 surrounding area earlier we took knee 490 00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:21,250 kalamaja rock camera onto the streets of 491 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:24,030 London to see what the people thought 492 00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:24,030 take a look 493 00:24:30,210 --> 00:24:36,309 the war on Yemen has been going on for 494 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:40,510 five years now has the us-saudi policy 495 00:24:36,309 --> 00:24:41,830 been a success or a failure well sounds 496 00:24:40,510 --> 00:24:43,270 like a failure to me if the war is still 497 00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:45,549 going on that probably it's the worst 498 00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:47,049 outcome all I can see through the media 499 00:24:45,549 --> 00:24:49,870 is there's been a lot of children that's 500 00:24:47,049 --> 00:24:52,840 being killed and that if the US and the 501 00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:54,700 UK are actually supplying arms to Saudi 502 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:58,390 Arabia I think they ought to reconsider 503 00:24:54,700 --> 00:25:00,850 that I'm in my opinion if the war is 504 00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:03,460 still ongoing I don't think it's been 505 00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:04,929 quite successful I think it's been a 506 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:06,520 failure in the sense that I think it 507 00:25:04,929 --> 00:25:07,780 needs to be greatly improved upon I 508 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,720 think because of the fighting and 509 00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:12,309 devastation i1c it's a complete failure 510 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:14,710 but it's definitely not a success for 511 00:25:12,309 --> 00:25:16,870 the people of Yemen or I think the 512 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:19,750 United States my instinct would be to 513 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:23,020 say no because of who's in power at the 514 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:25,440 moment and general foreign policy in the 515 00:25:23,020 --> 00:25:25,440 US 516 00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:31,500 [Music] 517 00:25:28,790 --> 00:25:33,870 but why do you think that the proxies of 518 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:37,170 the allies such as the US Israel Saudi 519 00:25:33,870 --> 00:25:41,220 UAE are now fighting each other in the 520 00:25:37,170 --> 00:25:45,420 South of Yemen oh I don't know a huge 521 00:25:41,220 --> 00:25:47,460 amount about it and I they're fighting 522 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:51,300 each other then I guess it's for control 523 00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:53,970 of the region it's it may be about trade 524 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:56,310 trade agreements and and their friends 525 00:25:53,970 --> 00:26:00,870 in the area access to ports possibly 526 00:25:56,310 --> 00:26:03,900 ugly speculation why they're fighting I 527 00:26:00,870 --> 00:26:06,000 think it's all all-round oil basically 528 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:09,360 that's that's the main thing I don't 529 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,070 know if it's like a divide and conquer I 530 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,230 don't know if it's a tactic from the 531 00:26:11,070 --> 00:26:15,950 other side for them to be fighting I 532 00:26:13,230 --> 00:26:19,230 think because there's so many different 533 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:21,090 countries taking so many different sides 534 00:26:19,230 --> 00:26:22,290 I think that all the proxies started 535 00:26:21,090 --> 00:26:25,380 fighting each other and I think that 536 00:26:22,290 --> 00:26:27,570 they all need to reevaluate kind of the 537 00:26:25,380 --> 00:26:29,760 end goal for the people of Yemen to make 538 00:26:27,570 --> 00:26:31,710 sure that there's a policy in place that 539 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,980 they as the government can move forward 540 00:26:31,710 --> 00:26:36,390 in a positive direction to make sure 541 00:26:33,980 --> 00:26:38,310 that the government is sound and that 542 00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:40,590 the people have a stable government that 543 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:43,020 they can rely on to ensure the 544 00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:46,110 well-being of all the citizens in terms 545 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:48,840 of most war it would be for some sort of 546 00:26:46,110 --> 00:26:51,240 control over the area and there will be 547 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,830 probably some sort of financial benefit 548 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,830 to whoever wins 549 00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:01,409 but I think this situation with with 550 00:26:58,529 --> 00:27:05,129 Iran certainly has to be escalates 551 00:27:01,409 --> 00:27:07,129 because that's very very serious for 552 00:27:05,129 --> 00:27:10,080 everybody I mean the Middle East and 553 00:27:07,129 --> 00:27:12,809 surrounding countries the UK everybody I 554 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,639 think that's a you know that that's a 555 00:27:12,809 --> 00:27:16,110 very serious situation that's going on 556 00:27:14,639 --> 00:27:19,180 at the moment 557 00:27:16,110 --> 00:27:19,180 [Music] 558 00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:24,929 well that was the view from the streets 559 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:27,120 of London let's continue to hear what is 560 00:27:24,929 --> 00:27:34,769 here in the studio yes sir 561 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:38,370 Salam aleikum Salam CEO sol madrid 562 00:27:34,769 --> 00:27:40,590 Philemon will harp he her vocal for 563 00:27:38,370 --> 00:27:44,129 coolin Atrato Sarah are here to our 564 00:27:40,590 --> 00:27:48,110 leader well hello Hoffy at lock I'm 565 00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:48,110 Elliot Salaam let Stephanie I hadn't 566 00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:56,820 dalamud Ania Sania Oh Shelia alia - 567 00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:58,649 Tehillim at any attack Ivana Jimmy well 568 00:27:56,820 --> 00:28:01,980 and that lock had he'll homily I'm 569 00:27:58,649 --> 00:28:05,629 Elliot Salaam the module hired to kill 570 00:28:01,980 --> 00:28:09,749 Hakam edenia that whoosh Erica shamila 571 00:28:05,629 --> 00:28:13,700 Wafaa treinta Delia literally Fatima had 572 00:28:09,749 --> 00:28:16,320 a de uma theater giggle Adela integrally 573 00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:19,740 Familia de demócrata yeah was so naughty 574 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:21,749 clearly talk here let it heal Hakam the 575 00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:23,240 hair had a little bull on a door fee 576 00:28:21,749 --> 00:28:25,919 hello comma forever 577 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:30,539 lalala stock bubble had mineral a gleam 578 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:33,330 in do a lily lilium Iran who do not walk 579 00:28:30,539 --> 00:28:36,480 up our man Billy of a felon ruler - mata 580 00:28:33,330 --> 00:28:38,700 haru SIA Cunha homeopath our own della 581 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,519 Yemen well cool homey up my own faith 582 00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:43,860 heartily Emanuel motala strategy Liam 583 00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:46,470 O'Neill a human own Annie Rococo and 584 00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:49,799 Tocqueville a duel masala historical 585 00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:51,950 monument Molokini Kuna delicacy fear 586 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:54,899 filled majolica to Saudi with ten office 587 00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:58,350 anomia Posada only feeble Ida nobody man 588 00:28:54,899 --> 00:29:00,179 a banana no me de Muro balada now with 589 00:28:58,350 --> 00:29:04,669 the moral authority now is the more 590 00:29:00,179 --> 00:29:06,629 cattle market arashiyama really valid no 591 00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:09,119 diamond mr. Dooley 592 00:29:06,629 --> 00:29:13,559 Felix Salaam with ten years he hurdle 593 00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:15,480 ballad mm la allakum lucky no no good we 594 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:18,629 had al khali metal no just a kid you 595 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:23,639 know I was a little fickle 596 00:29:18,629 --> 00:29:24,659 thank you they did in the middle row hi 597 00:29:23,639 --> 00:29:27,179 my name is Sofia 598 00:29:24,659 --> 00:29:31,320 I've been living in the UK for four 599 00:29:27,179 --> 00:29:33,840 years and one of the examples that 600 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,720 I can't go back to my country because of 601 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,649 sauna Airport closure and this is one of 602 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:43,590 the most important humanitarian issue 603 00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:46,740 that lead to all the many thousands of 604 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:49,710 Yemeni are stuck outside and thousands 605 00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:53,279 of Yemeni are injured inside Yemen they 606 00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:56,760 can't go to outside the broad to receive 607 00:29:53,279 --> 00:30:00,059 the necessary medication because of the 608 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:03,539 saudi-led coalition hit and bombed most 609 00:30:00,059 --> 00:30:06,000 of the Yemen's infrastructures as you 610 00:30:03,539 --> 00:30:09,480 know so hospitals schools everywhere 611 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:13,590 have been bombed so this is under the 612 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,659 humanitarian law that you cannot prevent 613 00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:18,779 the citizens to move from place to 614 00:30:15,659 --> 00:30:22,230 another so this is one of the most 615 00:30:18,779 --> 00:30:24,240 important issues that must be discussed 616 00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:27,179 and that Sanaa 617 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:30,929 Airport closure must be lifted as soon 618 00:30:27,179 --> 00:30:33,029 as possible and you you said in the 619 00:30:30,929 --> 00:30:35,970 beginning in your introduction that is 620 00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:38,309 the United States going to hit Iran 621 00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:41,700 definitely not because they are going to 622 00:30:38,309 --> 00:30:44,880 hit human so all of them agreed to hit 623 00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:46,890 human how did they do that if they say 624 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,250 that the attack on Saudi Arabia came 625 00:30:46,890 --> 00:30:53,159 from Iran so Iran bombs you so you bomb 626 00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:56,279 Yemen so the Yemen Yemeni people are 627 00:30:53,159 --> 00:30:58,440 asking the same questions as long as the 628 00:30:56,279 --> 00:31:00,029 Yemeni are defending themselves and this 629 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,850 is the legal right to defend themselves 630 00:31:00,029 --> 00:31:06,360 why they are hitting Yemen not hitting 631 00:31:02,850 --> 00:31:07,770 Iran so this is my my question why it's 632 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,220 a very good question international 633 00:31:07,770 --> 00:31:14,909 community is doing this hypocrisy 634 00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:17,970 so this yeah so this is the question is 635 00:31:14,909 --> 00:31:20,039 raised by every Yemeni sitters thank you 636 00:31:17,970 --> 00:31:20,700 very much gentleman in the middle thank 637 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,500 you George 638 00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:25,350 my name is Sal Ali and political and 639 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:28,080 social commentator of many failures in 640 00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:30,929 the Middle East and East Africa I like 641 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:36,179 to say the conflict has entered into a 642 00:31:30,929 --> 00:31:40,799 new territory a territory dominated by 643 00:31:36,179 --> 00:31:44,360 the effectiveness of drone attacks which 644 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:48,779 I believe would change not only the 645 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:51,600 people settle their differences in this 646 00:31:48,779 --> 00:31:54,919 region but in many parts of the world we 647 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:59,549 have witnesses that the Houthi rebels 648 00:31:54,919 --> 00:32:03,840 relying regularly on these drones and 649 00:31:59,549 --> 00:32:08,399 this year alone we have seen drones used 650 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:14,279 to attack oil facilities in Saudi 651 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:18,929 Kingdom on May the 14th and August the 652 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:24,919 17th this year alone and the most 653 00:32:18,929 --> 00:32:28,860 effective attack came on the 14th of 654 00:32:24,919 --> 00:32:34,950 September the question many are asking 655 00:32:28,860 --> 00:32:39,480 is despite Saudis investing heavily and 656 00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:44,909 build in building their own military and 657 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:49,340 buying a lot of weapons from world's 658 00:32:44,909 --> 00:32:52,519 most powerful nations their 659 00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:57,389 sophisticated satellites have failed and 660 00:32:52,519 --> 00:33:01,559 could not detect 10 drones freely 661 00:32:57,389 --> 00:33:05,570 rooming over the skies of Saudi Arabia 662 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:09,269 reaching their tagged targets after 663 00:33:05,570 --> 00:33:12,409 traveling 1,000 and 200 kilometers 664 00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:16,879 hitting the two oil facilities and 665 00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:20,970 damaging the Saudi oil protection that 666 00:33:16,879 --> 00:33:23,669 means have shown us that the weapons 667 00:33:20,970 --> 00:33:27,299 that they have put became useless and 668 00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:30,600 ineffective and also the anti-missile 669 00:33:27,299 --> 00:33:34,919 missile ready support the Patriot the 670 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:36,870 Patriots have become also useless I this 671 00:33:34,919 --> 00:33:40,080 reminds me the current the conflict 672 00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:42,779 reminds me that you have relied on the 673 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:45,360 big powers United States and the weapons 674 00:33:42,779 --> 00:33:47,970 they gave you but now you have realized 675 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:51,720 that this is not enough to protect you 676 00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:55,169 you are totally exposed to an endless 677 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:58,220 danger from the Houthis and the whole 678 00:33:55,169 --> 00:34:00,830 dream that this conflict could have been 679 00:33:58,220 --> 00:34:03,350 brought to an end in matter of monthlies 680 00:34:00,830 --> 00:34:06,850 has evaporated because we are all 681 00:34:03,350 --> 00:34:10,750 witnessing that it entered it is 50th 682 00:34:06,850 --> 00:34:13,790 and the Hootie's in my opinion are 683 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:17,270 psychologically and militarily gaining 684 00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:20,720 momentum at the moment so what is best 685 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:21,830 if I am if you put me into a ring again 686 00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:24,409 is Mike Tyson 687 00:34:21,830 --> 00:34:26,750 you know I will not we cannot talk about 688 00:34:24,409 --> 00:34:29,179 winning we will talk about when this 689 00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:31,520 gentlemen the thing 690 00:34:29,179 --> 00:34:34,310 slim Somalian is going to be dying 691 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,679 violently because there is a world of 692 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:39,760 difference between me and the person I 693 00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:43,490 am fighting the Saudis and the Emirates 694 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:46,580 are now beginning to feel the heat 695 00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:49,730 they are beginning to realize and I have 696 00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:51,590 no doubt they both looking away out the 697 00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:54,409 merits have already taken their troubies 698 00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:57,260 5000 out of Yemen and the Saudis have 699 00:34:54,409 --> 00:35:02,540 got their feet into the medal the only 700 00:34:57,260 --> 00:35:05,390 solution is agreement of ceasefire and 701 00:35:02,540 --> 00:35:08,090 Yemen is to be left alone to decide 702 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:11,630 their own future themselvess I think he 703 00:35:08,090 --> 00:35:14,090 the idea of inventing the map and 704 00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:17,660 dividing Yemen is totally upset and 705 00:35:14,090 --> 00:35:19,790 unjust Yemen have become United and they 706 00:35:17,660 --> 00:35:23,240 were developing without these 707 00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:25,850 intervention which is started by the 708 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:29,800 Saudis getting the support of the merits 709 00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:34,160 and other money driven nations their 710 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:37,010 interest driven nations is gonna fail it 711 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:40,340 now and I hope that the world support is 712 00:35:37,010 --> 00:35:42,830 a way to end this conflict as quickly as 713 00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:45,530 possible well let's hear from security 714 00:35:42,830 --> 00:35:47,750 and intelligence expert Charles 715 00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:51,380 Shoebridge Charles I'm not going to ask 716 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:54,710 you to walk us through the labyrinth of 717 00:35:51,380 --> 00:35:57,260 internal Yemeni politics because we 718 00:35:54,710 --> 00:36:02,090 don't have time but what's your overview 719 00:35:57,260 --> 00:36:05,359 of the military and geopolitical 720 00:36:02,090 --> 00:36:08,300 situation now in the wake of the attack 721 00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:10,110 on the Saudi oil fields yeah George 722 00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:12,240 we've heard a lot about 723 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:13,350 internal politics just some aspects and 724 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,400 of course there very many more and in 725 00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:15,390 many ways even though people are 726 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,930 disagreeing of course that's very 727 00:36:15,390 --> 00:36:20,910 encouraging the fact that there will be 728 00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:22,650 internal political discourse and that 729 00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:25,470 that can be resolved in the course of 730 00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:26,820 internal Yemeni politics in due course 731 00:36:25,470 --> 00:36:29,280 but of course what's needed for that 732 00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:30,990 happened is an end to the war the war 733 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,000 needs to end the blockade needs to end 734 00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:35,100 so that some stability can at least 735 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,320 return and so that then politics perhaps 736 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:38,370 in some civil way can take place and 737 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,710 we've also heard comments which is 738 00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:42,510 absolutely accurate that of course the 739 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:44,610 real crux of the problems in Yemen the 740 00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:46,830 axe' exacerbates the situation as it has 741 00:36:44,610 --> 00:36:48,780 done in Ukraine as is done in Syria 742 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:51,150 Libya and elsewhere is that you have 743 00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:53,400 these domestic internal divisions which 744 00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:55,740 are absolutely ruthlessly and endlessly 745 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,870 exploited by outside powers and we've 746 00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:59,790 seen that desperately so in the case of 747 00:36:57,870 --> 00:37:01,740 course in Yemen and that has been 748 00:36:59,790 --> 00:37:03,360 covered and is now actually quite 749 00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:05,670 apparent also even in Western media 750 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,640 coverage which after many years of 751 00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:11,340 largely ignoring these incidents if they 752 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,530 take place against Yemeni civilians by 753 00:37:11,340 --> 00:37:15,300 carried out by British and American 754 00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:17,250 allies the Saudis in particular by their 755 00:37:15,300 --> 00:37:18,840 airstrikes using of course British and 756 00:37:17,250 --> 00:37:20,700 American supplied weapons and logistics 757 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,930 and so on that has largely not been 758 00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,330 covered by the British and American 759 00:37:21,930 --> 00:37:26,490 media now it's inescapable it is being 760 00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:29,490 covered and so even there externally 761 00:37:26,490 --> 00:37:31,320 there is a pressure for this war to come 762 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:32,910 to an end it has been proved an 763 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,590 embarrassment to the British and 764 00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:35,820 American governments and I think Trump 765 00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:38,250 particularly of course Annie's made 766 00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:40,350 reference to this Trump in his instincts 767 00:37:38,250 --> 00:37:42,270 while of course he continues to want to 768 00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:45,420 sell billions and billions of dollars 769 00:37:42,270 --> 00:37:47,670 worth of arms at did obama perform as 770 00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:50,700 there's our own government to the Saudis 771 00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:52,980 their use in this way has become a 772 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:55,020 distinct embarrassment and it's made the 773 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:56,850 supply of these weapons more difficult 774 00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:59,130 in the future of course they would like 775 00:37:56,850 --> 00:38:00,990 to remove those difficulties um our 776 00:37:59,130 --> 00:38:03,360 colleague here also made very good point 777 00:38:00,990 --> 00:38:05,970 that the use of drones and it's just one 778 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:08,490 example is an excellent illustration of 779 00:38:05,970 --> 00:38:10,890 the way in which the playing field is 780 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:13,350 being leveled in in Indies conflicts 781 00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:15,300 especially what would have been in the 782 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:16,350 old days called a low-intensity conflict 783 00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:19,110 in other words a largely guerrilla 784 00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:20,760 campaign that it can be go on to the 785 00:38:19,110 --> 00:38:23,119 strategic level with the use of drones 786 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,430 and basic cruise missiles which I think 787 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:27,829 probably certainly the forensics that's 788 00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:30,559 been presented so far suggests were used 789 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:32,329 in its attack it's use worth relying 790 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:33,980 worth was remembering as well that 791 00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:36,680 whilst there's been lots of discussion 792 00:38:33,980 --> 00:38:40,430 about whether these were launched for 793 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:42,410 example from from Yemen itself and we 794 00:38:40,430 --> 00:38:43,849 have the precedents for that I mean 795 00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:45,829 there have many attacks using drones 796 00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:46,880 noise yeah their distance is greater but 797 00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:48,380 that distance is greater but the 798 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,059 principle is the same the principle is 799 00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:51,829 the same but also there has been some 800 00:38:50,059 --> 00:38:55,249 yourself potentially longer range drones 801 00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:56,180 by their hooters but also of course it's 802 00:38:55,249 --> 00:38:58,369 possible that these could have been 803 00:38:56,180 --> 00:39:00,499 launched from sympathetic forces in Iraq 804 00:38:58,369 --> 00:39:02,150 the other option of course that's been 805 00:39:00,499 --> 00:39:03,769 put about particular by the Americans is 806 00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:06,859 that it's been launched from Iran again 807 00:39:03,769 --> 00:39:08,660 without any specific evidence so far but 808 00:39:06,859 --> 00:39:10,849 one that has been discounted or not 809 00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:12,680 mentioned largely but was mentioned by 810 00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:14,450 the Houthis in our original claim was 811 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,130 that it's possible that at least some of 812 00:39:14,450 --> 00:39:18,859 these weapons the drones were launched 813 00:39:16,130 --> 00:39:21,700 from within Saudi Arabia itself bearing 814 00:39:18,859 --> 00:39:24,230 in mind that there are forces within 815 00:39:21,700 --> 00:39:26,599 Saudi Arabia political and military 816 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:28,130 forces to some degree there are against 817 00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:29,630 the regime there particularly of course 818 00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:33,799 in eastern province one might talk about 819 00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:36,680 that so it looks as though this attack 820 00:39:33,799 --> 00:39:38,480 on this refinery could actually rather 821 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,239 than be an escalation point could 822 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,739 actually be a critical point path on the 823 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,869 path to actually ending this conflict 824 00:39:42,739 --> 00:39:47,299 because it's raised the stage to such a 825 00:39:44,869 --> 00:39:50,599 level that now this continuation of this 826 00:39:47,299 --> 00:39:51,739 conflict threatens the West's economic 827 00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,869 interest particularly of course in 828 00:39:51,739 --> 00:39:55,160 respect of oil Trump might say as he has 829 00:39:53,869 --> 00:39:55,910 don't know we don't care about Saudi or 830 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,559 oil anymore 831 00:39:55,910 --> 00:40:00,140 that's completely not true for the time 832 00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:01,940 being at least and so if this disruption 833 00:40:00,140 --> 00:40:05,239 to the international economic economic 834 00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:07,130 order can be threatened and also if the 835 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,450 same can be threatened perhaps not with 836 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:11,359 drones in a syllable with cruise 837 00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:13,759 missiles against the UAE itself as the 838 00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:16,789 Hooters of indicated may be the next 839 00:40:13,759 --> 00:40:20,289 step this is going to cause pause for 840 00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:22,940 thought amongst the Saudis and the UA 841 00:40:20,289 --> 00:40:24,499 Emiratis themselves because we've 842 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:26,539 already got this split that is taking 843 00:40:24,499 --> 00:40:27,859 place between the UAE and the Saudis 844 00:40:26,539 --> 00:40:29,869 it's becoming increasingly difficult to 845 00:40:27,859 --> 00:40:31,940 hide where basically the UAE 846 00:40:29,869 --> 00:40:34,069 pretty much wants out yes they are 847 00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:35,509 encouraging different forces there co 848 00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:36,210 engineer proxies and they would like to 849 00:40:35,509 --> 00:40:38,580 have 850 00:40:36,210 --> 00:40:40,770 some control over the riches of the 851 00:40:38,580 --> 00:40:42,750 south the strategic importance of Aiden 852 00:40:40,770 --> 00:40:44,339 and so on that's absolutely understood 853 00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:45,869 and this is consistent with what we've 854 00:40:44,339 --> 00:40:48,570 seen over the last decade at least of 855 00:40:45,869 --> 00:40:50,640 the involvement of the Emiratis the 856 00:40:48,570 --> 00:40:53,280 Qataris and so on in the internal 857 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:55,920 affairs of other Arabic and Middle East 858 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:58,170 and North African countries so it may 859 00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,630 well be that this actually can prove a 860 00:40:58,170 --> 00:41:02,099 turning point indeed very recently we've 861 00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:05,130 course had following up from the attack 862 00:41:02,099 --> 00:41:08,220 we've had the hoot is actually offering 863 00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:10,410 to end these attacks so long as the war 864 00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:12,480 ends and of course it's going to be very 865 00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:14,010 interesting to see how the Saudis bear 866 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,660 in mind that the pressure matrix from 867 00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:18,570 the West is differing now because of 868 00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:20,480 this threat that is now apparent to 869 00:41:18,570 --> 00:41:22,650 their economic well-being and it's 870 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,730 possibility now perhaps more than ever 871 00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:26,700 that at this very moment at is 872 00:41:23,730 --> 00:41:30,839 escalating that fairly escalation may 873 00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:32,609 prove may may prove to be a really act 874 00:41:30,839 --> 00:41:34,680 of strategic genius on a part of the 875 00:41:32,609 --> 00:41:38,040 Hootie's to bring this to a close so 876 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,720 that these political developments and 877 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,670 discussions that we've had very 878 00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:44,700 eloquently Illustrated here can take 879 00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:47,490 effect perhaps internally so the new 880 00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:50,609 takeaways are that nobody in the right 881 00:41:47,490 --> 00:41:51,990 mind would buy a Patriot missile let me 882 00:41:50,609 --> 00:41:53,520 let me talk that's a very good point you 883 00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:55,109 see the problem is and we're going to 884 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:58,320 come back to the commenter our colleague 885 00:41:55,109 --> 00:42:00,900 here said that the Patriot missile is 886 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:04,290 designed to defend against ballistic 887 00:42:00,900 --> 00:42:07,320 missiles like the Scud missiles that the 888 00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:09,599 Houthis have used quite effectively into 889 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,960 Saudi Arabia for some time and of course 890 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:14,490 these Scud missiles haven't come from as 891 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,160 the West likes to presume or likes to 892 00:42:14,490 --> 00:42:19,290 pretend from Iran they've confirmed the 893 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,180 remnants of the Yemeni army that is 894 00:42:19,290 --> 00:42:22,619 actually with the Hootie's or has been 895 00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:24,750 allied at different points and so large 896 00:42:22,619 --> 00:42:26,670 parts of the army of course are against 897 00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:28,560 the government of Haryana against the 898 00:42:26,670 --> 00:42:30,060 Saudis as you might want to be yourself 899 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,609 if your country was attacked in a way 900 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:34,500 and so the Patriots are of some 901 00:42:32,609 --> 00:42:37,770 effectiveness not full effectiveness 902 00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:40,260 against ballistic missiles such as this 903 00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:42,330 good missile but and they have been used 904 00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:44,730 by the Hootie's so far but they are 905 00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:46,650 absolutely useless against low tech low 906 00:42:44,730 --> 00:42:49,190 cost quite especially large numbers of 907 00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:51,140 drones and that's why in so many ways as 908 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:56,530 kated they are an absolute equalizer 909 00:42:51,140 --> 00:42:59,990 changer a game-changer but the second 910 00:42:56,530 --> 00:43:03,140 the second game changer is that as I 911 00:42:59,990 --> 00:43:05,720 hope I demonstrated in my opening 912 00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:07,940 remarks the United States cannot 913 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:10,490 actually attack Iran and therefore 914 00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:12,770 anything that ineluctably draws them 915 00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:14,990 towards an attack on Iran is something 916 00:43:12,770 --> 00:43:18,589 that is against their interests let's 917 00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:21,260 assume another three drone attacks on 918 00:43:18,589 --> 00:43:23,480 another three oil refineries this is 919 00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:26,540 going to provide tremendous pressure on 920 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:29,540 the u.s. to attack Iran but it can't 921 00:43:26,540 --> 00:43:31,130 attack Iran because it will lose it it 922 00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:32,720 will lose because it doesn't have the 923 00:43:31,130 --> 00:43:34,280 stomach and quite rightly doesn't have 924 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,780 the stomach because it's not in the 925 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,060 interests of the US any lot of years 926 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:40,280 people to have what undoubtedly would 927 00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:42,140 not be as he's being suggested by some 928 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:44,270 Hawks in the US media and for security 929 00:43:42,140 --> 00:43:46,609 establishment a series of limited 930 00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:48,589 punishing short term strikes applause 931 00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:50,619 well if said if you attack us it's 932 00:43:48,589 --> 00:43:53,869 all-out war and the history shows that 933 00:43:50,619 --> 00:43:56,270 that actually those remarks by him are 934 00:43:53,869 --> 00:43:58,819 sustainable they are probably true and 935 00:43:56,270 --> 00:44:01,510 if you attack Iran you are going to 936 00:43:58,819 --> 00:44:05,240 engage in an extremely long term 937 00:44:01,510 --> 00:44:06,950 conflict there's no question that us 938 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:09,380 would ever invade Iran the cost would be 939 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:10,790 phenomenal in blood and money and so 940 00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:13,760 they're talking second world war two 941 00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:15,170 levels of and does stabilize the entire 942 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,670 region and of course caused massive 943 00:44:15,170 --> 00:44:19,190 problems for the global economy because 944 00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:20,599 of their impact on oil prices the u.s. 945 00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:22,250 does not want that so of course it's 946 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:25,130 absolutely restricted and what it can do 947 00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:27,619 despite the fact that of course Hawks 948 00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:28,339 now departed such as Bolton but even 949 00:44:27,619 --> 00:44:31,130 Pompeyo 950 00:44:28,339 --> 00:44:32,690 do seem to believe in perhaps at the 951 00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:34,970 best of other countries in the region of 952 00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:36,170 course notably Saudi Arabia but Saudi 953 00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:38,450 Arabia remember doesn't want a full 954 00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:40,160 conflict but countries such as Israel of 955 00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:42,770 course of which is very powerful at the 956 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:45,710 Washington Lobby to actually punish 957 00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:48,319 their main enemy which they see as Iran 958 00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:50,270 blended overview gentlemen next year my 959 00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:53,540 name's Schramm alikum cybersecurity 960 00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:55,520 expert and student of history how this 961 00:44:53,540 --> 00:44:58,310 man that's what we need a cybersecurity 962 00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,920 expert there at so having worked in 963 00:44:58,310 --> 00:45:02,210 technology for the past 15 years there's 964 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,070 one thing I'd like to mention 965 00:45:02,210 --> 00:45:06,020 and get out the way straightaway 966 00:45:04,070 --> 00:45:09,950 Hootie's do not have the technology or 967 00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:13,430 the know-how to get 1,200 kilometres 968 00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:16,160 into Saudi territory and bomb it I've 969 00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:20,270 read up indeed how were they able to 970 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:22,910 attack air bases several of them several 971 00:45:20,270 --> 00:45:26,420 several of those air base attacks were 972 00:45:22,910 --> 00:45:29,930 limited you got to remember to control a 973 00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:32,990 drone 1,200 kilometers away you need the 974 00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:34,640 technology you need satellite access to 975 00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:36,980 a satellite to be able to control that 976 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,310 drone they do not have that and then 977 00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:42,710 number three they use Lockheed Martin 978 00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:45,130 air defense systems you need to have 979 00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:47,810 stealth technology to get that for 980 00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:51,530 Hootie's do not have that Iran does not 981 00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:54,099 have time to be very very clear who does 982 00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:56,440 that leave that okay so that's one thing 983 00:45:54,099 --> 00:45:58,280 four months ago 984 00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:02,060 intelligence sources from within 985 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:04,190 Pakistan said that Saudis were warned 986 00:46:02,060 --> 00:46:07,250 that there's a Black Swan operation 987 00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:09,859 about to happen to trigger conflict 988 00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:11,150 between Saudi Arabia and Iran both 989 00:46:09,859 --> 00:46:12,740 countries were warned that there's a 990 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:15,700 Black Swan operation about to happen 991 00:46:12,740 --> 00:46:18,290 this is a Black Swan you mean the 992 00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:21,050 mercenary force something was going to 993 00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:24,050 happen so it's an event that's going to 994 00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:26,599 cause a change in the policy country's 995 00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:29,030 policy straight away so they were warned 996 00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,890 four months ago and it was on TV and we 997 00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:32,000 all knew about it we were just waiting 998 00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:34,820 for it to happen 999 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:37,750 now it's quite strategic that they use 1000 00:46:34,820 --> 00:46:40,339 cruise missiles now that's another point 1001 00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:42,050 cruise from only five countries in the 1002 00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:45,140 world have cruise missiles Iran is not 1003 00:46:42,050 --> 00:46:48,380 one of them well it's a cruise type of 1004 00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:49,250 missile cruise type of masada of cruise 1005 00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:52,490 right on it 1006 00:46:49,250 --> 00:46:54,740 no but the point is you would have to 1007 00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:58,030 have stealth technology to bypass the 1008 00:46:54,740 --> 00:47:02,150 air defense system to begin with right 1009 00:46:58,030 --> 00:47:05,060 does Iran have stealth technology you do 1010 00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:07,580 think you do need it so you get that far 1011 00:47:05,060 --> 00:47:09,380 into Saudi Arabia so that's one thing 1012 00:47:07,580 --> 00:47:12,560 then what you've got to figure out is 1013 00:47:09,380 --> 00:47:14,750 who benefits from the conflicting you 1014 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,510 have a higher we're running out of time 1015 00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:18,450 you 1016 00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:21,440 have a higher appreciation of Saudi 1017 00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:22,620 defense capability than I do and a lower 1018 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,730 appreciation 1019 00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:28,020 no no I don't offensive capable no I 1020 00:47:25,730 --> 00:47:30,270 appreciate what the Houthis have done 1021 00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:32,220 over the last five years to defend 1022 00:47:30,270 --> 00:47:34,460 themself the Saudis were all asleep but 1023 00:47:32,220 --> 00:47:38,400 but the point the point I'm trying under 1024 00:47:34,460 --> 00:47:39,720 this there's also the very strategic 1025 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,730 point that we are weren't missing it 1026 00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:44,130 even though the drones are there for 1027 00:47:41,730 --> 00:47:49,110 example right every all this technology 1028 00:47:44,130 --> 00:47:51,960 is there who benefits that's the key 1029 00:47:49,110 --> 00:47:54,540 question Saudis don't benefit from it 1030 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,250 Iran doesn't benefit from a conflict who 1031 00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:58,440 benefits in the long run from the 1032 00:47:56,250 --> 00:48:00,330 conflict that's the question we have to 1033 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,970 ask ourselves what's your answer yeah 1034 00:48:00,330 --> 00:48:05,580 and my answer is from a conflict between 1035 00:48:02,970 --> 00:48:06,860 Iran and Saudi Arabia right Israel 1036 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:09,390 benefits the most 1037 00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:11,820 Israel benefits the most look at the 1038 00:48:09,390 --> 00:48:13,470 election results look who's who's 1039 00:48:11,820 --> 00:48:15,480 eventually going to be the prime 1040 00:48:13,470 --> 00:48:18,810 minister former chief of army stuff look 1041 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:22,020 at what he said about declaring they're 1042 00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:24,720 basically annexing large parts of the 1043 00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:28,350 Jordan Valley large parts of West Bank 1044 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:31,320 and extend Israel's sovereignty over 1045 00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:33,360 those areas so you have to look at and 1046 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,220 then you have to look at and not another 1047 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,800 as well we don't have time for that I 1048 00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:39,990 want this lady to speak and she'll have 1049 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:42,690 to be unless she's extraordinarily brief 1050 00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:45,900 the last speaker thank you thank you I'm 1051 00:48:42,690 --> 00:48:50,340 dr. Siana Shafi I'm a recently a 1052 00:48:45,900 --> 00:48:52,380 humanitarian GP so and I'm nearly in my 1053 00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:55,530 fifth decade of life just touching on 1054 00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:58,290 your reference to age there and although 1055 00:48:55,530 --> 00:49:01,080 in the West we've lived in utmost peace 1056 00:48:58,290 --> 00:49:04,470 thankfully I was not born here I was 1057 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,630 born in Sri Lanka but my ancestors come 1058 00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:09,800 from possibly Yemen so I have an 1059 00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:13,170 interest in kind of human preservation 1060 00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:16,700 and I just wanted to say one at least 1061 00:49:13,170 --> 00:49:19,320 one point which is this observation I 1062 00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:22,590 think everybody touches on is the 1063 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:26,340 cowardice of leadership and how they the 1064 00:49:22,590 --> 00:49:27,930 proxy war thing on on you can you can 1065 00:49:26,340 --> 00:49:29,250 kill from a distance you don't have to 1066 00:49:27,930 --> 00:49:33,120 be involved it just has to 1067 00:49:29,250 --> 00:49:35,130 push-button control and devaluation of 1068 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,880 life and absolutely no bravery 1069 00:49:35,130 --> 00:49:37,890 whatsoever 1070 00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,810 I mean how will our history books look 1071 00:49:37,890 --> 00:49:42,270 in the future to describe our current 1072 00:49:39,810 --> 00:49:44,690 leaders we know how we think of our 1073 00:49:42,270 --> 00:49:50,190 current leaders but there is no heroism 1074 00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:53,120 and so this thing that that human life 1075 00:49:50,190 --> 00:49:55,290 means nothing and that leaders play no 1076 00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,300 legitimate games I mean there are rules 1077 00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:59,400 for wars they used to be rules for us 1078 00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:01,530 and people don't stick to those rules 1079 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,630 anymore so in my current job I see all 1080 00:50:01,530 --> 00:50:06,840 the victims from Syria from Iraq from 1081 00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:09,890 Yemen actually not many from Yemen 1082 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:13,320 because people are trapped there and it 1083 00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:15,020 how do you divide a country and and what 1084 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,200 what's the purpose of it and I think 1085 00:50:15,020 --> 00:50:20,940 it's amazing your skill sir as a cyber 1086 00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,260 technologist but I'm really pleased that 1087 00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:23,700 you asked the question about who 1088 00:50:22,260 --> 00:50:28,110 benefits and I think that is the 1089 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:30,270 rhetorical thing dr. Troy finally yes so 1090 00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:33,330 I think that according to what I've 1091 00:50:30,270 --> 00:50:35,610 heard today is we all know who is partly 1092 00:50:33,330 --> 00:50:38,940 responsible in all the chaos we see 1093 00:50:35,610 --> 00:50:42,060 today in the air men especially we the 1094 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:44,400 West European countries and and the 1095 00:50:42,060 --> 00:50:47,160 United States but I'm sure that next 1096 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:50,370 year we will have the same thing a new 1097 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:52,950 war starting and our and asking the same 1098 00:50:50,370 --> 00:50:56,820 questions the reason is this one in my 1099 00:50:52,950 --> 00:51:01,380 opinion we are all responsible because 1100 00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:04,010 of the way we we behave which means that 1101 00:51:01,380 --> 00:51:07,590 we do not denounce we do not condemn 1102 00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:09,300 what all there D what the United States 1103 00:51:07,590 --> 00:51:12,480 are doing what the UK is doing what 1104 00:51:09,300 --> 00:51:15,720 Frances to be when they commit crimes 1105 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,320 and they kill other people so that's the 1106 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:19,860 sad part 1107 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:22,380 that's a very sad part well the show has 1108 00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:24,380 to come to an end which is a pity 1109 00:51:22,380 --> 00:51:26,040 because we could have discussed this for 1110 00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:28,320 very much longer 1111 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,590 I've been George Galloway you've been a 1112 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,610 marvelous audience thanks very much for 1113 00:51:31,590 --> 00:51:40,280 watching 1114 00:51:32,610 --> 00:51:40,280 [Applause] 1115 00:51:43,980 --> 00:51:49,010 [Music] 1116 00:51:48,670 --> 00:51:57,270 [Applause] 1117 00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:57,270 [Music]